Bloggers: 2, Pastors: 0. Julie Anne Smith Wins Complete Victory in Anti-SLAPP Motion, Chuck's Lawsuit is Chucked by the Judge

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Julie Anne Smith and her co-defendants have prevailed. Their pastor's attempts to sue them for half a million in damages because they dared to criticize their former church and pastor, have ended in shame and disgrace for Beaverton Grace Bible Church - and have piled on a debt of probably $50,000 in legal fees and court costs.

Judge Jim Fun granted Julie Anne's anti-SLAPP motion, tossing out Chuck O'Neal's ridiculous lawsuit, and ordering Chuck and Church to fork over the money to pay for the defendants' legal defense.

And there ain't no insurance that will pay for this one. This money will come straight from the coffers of Beaverton Grace Bible Church.

Can you say "special offering"? Can you say "Double Tithe Sunday"?

Seriously, to a small 501(c)3 like BGBC this can be a fatal blow. Chuck and friends rolled the dice on this one, and he lost big time, and may have taken his church down with him. Too bad there weren't some elders/deacons/trustees with a backbone to stand up to Chuck and his cockamamie idea of suing the sheep. Too bad compensatory damages aren't required by the court for the anguish Chuck and his board of elders/deacons/trustees has caused to all of the defendants involved.

Kudos to Julie Anne Smith for her tenacity. Unlike her pastor, she has handled herself with grace and courage through this entire ordeal. Julie Anne has taken the heat, not shying away from the press coverage. She has used the platform given to her by this set of unfortunate circumstances to speak out against spiritual abuse, and no doubt she will continue to do so.

Make no mistake, Julie Anne is a trailblazer. She has won a very important case for religious bloggers who seek to share the truth about churches and pastors. Lawyers who represent well-to-do mega church pastors who are criticized on line are sure to take the judge's ruling to heart. As I said before, if O'Neal won, I believe we would have seen more of these lawsuits by pastors who want to shut up their critics who aren't good for their "business". The judge ruled that religious blogs critical of how pastors run their church and how they treat people, are matters of public interest, and opinions expressed about said pastors is protected free speech.

Here is a very important part of the judge's ruling:

"Plaintiff [O'Neal and his church] has the right to govern his congregation in the manner in which he chooses, and defendant Julie Anne Smith is authorized by law to express her disagreement with his performance of those activities. Consequently, the foregoing claimed defamatory statements are dismissed."
Awesome. Julie Anne did what she did, "authorized by law". Problem is, in the world of fundamentalist, authoritarian preachers like Chuck, Julie Anne was not authorized by Pastor to do what she did. Pastor didn't like Julie Anne's opinions. Pastor thinks Julie Anne's criticism was sin. Pastor got his hat handed to him by the judge, and Pastor's congregation has to pay the legal bills.

Here is the summary paragraph from Judge Jim Fun's ruling:

"In summary, defendants Julie Anne Smith [and other defendants'] Special Motions to Strike are granted. The court finds that the defendant's internet postings on plaintiff's website and defendant Julie Anne Smith's blog site, were made in a public forum and concern an issue of public interest. The court further finds that plaintiff has not met the burden of presenting substantial evidence the defendant's statements are defamatory. "
This is all made sweeter by going back and reading Chuck's "press release" from a few months ago, where he said:

"We have not gone hastily to court. For three and a half years this group has been engaged in a public, church to church, and World Wide Web defamation, showing their willingness to harm children, to harm wives, to harm the church, and harm the testimony of Christ's Gospel. It is BGBC's firm conviction that this cannot continue. The ministry of the local church and the Gospel cannot continue to be hindered."
The loving pastor accuses Julie Anne and the others of harming children and wives, and even harming the testimony of Jesus Christ himself. Actually, Chuck, YOU are that man! The last statement above shows why Chuck and his men couldn't make the right call:  their religious zealotry made them think their lawsuit was required by God himself to stop Julie Anne from "hindering" the church and the Gospel. In the fog of their religious confusion, they thought they were doing the very will of God.

As I close, I can't help but go back to the statement made by Chuck's wife when interviewed by KPTV, staring right into the camera and saying of Julie Anne and her co-defendants (while Chuck had a Cheshire-cat grin, see left):

"The only thing worse than a vicious woman is a group of vicious women." Mrs. O'Neal
I guess to Chuck and friends, they now have discovered there IS one thing worse - in their twisted minds - than even a group of "vicious women" who are "hindering" the local church and the Gospel:

One judge who can rightly put an authoritarian pastor and his cultish church in their place.

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Other sites posting articles on Julie Anne's tremendous victory, and some quotes:

Julie Anne's blog: Judge's Decision

Wartburg Watch: Julie Anne Smith Prevails Against Her Former Church

"There can be no doubt that the major news outlets will be reporting on this story, which has garnered tremendous attention.  I do hope that hyper-authoritarian pastors are paying attention…  First there was Tom Rich (on the East Coast); now Julie Anne Smith (on the West Coast).

Yep, from coast to coast judges are ruling in favor of parishioners who have the right to exercise their free speech.  It does appear that the internet is the modern day version of the Gutenberg Press which was a major contributing factor to the Reformation. "

Bene Diction Blog: Beaverton Grace Bible Church Loses Court Case Against Blogger

"Some of the best coverage of this Beaverton Grace Bible Church bully suit has been by Tom Rich of FBC Jax Watchdog – another blogger who dared question his pastor and who also faced spiritual abuse and struggles in US courts."

 Previous Watchdog Articles on this Case:

Mother and Daughter Being Sued by Their Former Pastor - May 13, 2012

An Analysis of Chuck O'Neal's Press Release - May 17, 2012

Greater Love Hath No Pastor - June 1, 2012

Donate to the BGBC Legal Defense Fund - July 11, 2012

Al Mohler Declares: Church Members Don't Have a Right to Leave Their Church, Except for "Theological" Errors

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"We have no right to leave a church over preferences about music, personal taste, or even programming that does not meet expectations".  Pope Albert the Pious I-------------------  Al Mohler has declared from his lofty perch at SBTS that church members do not have the "right" to leave their church, unless it is for a primary doctrinal reason.

Apparently we aren't smart enough to know when it is in the best interests of our family to leave and join another church. No, we need Albert the Pious and the other seminary-trained holy-men-of-God to tell us when we can leave, and when we can't leave. After all, as Albert said last year, pastors are "God-appointed agents to save God's people from ignorance."

Says Albert:

"When members leave for insufficient reason, the fellowship of the church is broken, its witness is weakened, and the peace and unity of the congregation are sacrificed...we have no right to leave a church over preferences about music, personal taste, or even programming that does not meet expectations..."
"Christians cannot look to this question as merely a matter of consumerism. We are called to love the church and to pray for its peace and unity, not to look for an opportunity to move to another congregation."
This is not only unbiblical, it is just plain stupid and illogical. Let me give just a few reasons why Mohler is out in left field on this issue:

1. "The Church" is NOT the same as "501(c)3 religious organization": Mohler wrongly equates local 501(c)3 religious organizations with the "church" in scripture. We've beat this dead horse before, but if I leave ABC Baptist Church, I'm not "leaving the church" - I'm changing 501(c)3 religious organizations. Christians absolutely are free in Christ and free as Americans to change churches as often as they wish, for whatever reason they deem fit, as led by their conscience and faith. And they're even free, and have a Christian right to not be a member of ANY 501(c)3 religious organization.

2.  If Al is right, why do pastors change churches so often?:  Al conveniently forgot that the average baptist senior pastor stays at their church for 6-7 years before moving on to another church. And when a SBC pastor leaves his church for greener pastures, it rarely has anything to do with major theological differences - instead we are told that "God called" the pastor to his new church.  In fact, the mega church rock stars go to great lengths to tell us how God told them to change churches - like while riding a donkey in the Holy Land and other such tales. Apparently God is capable only of calling pastors to change churches - but dang it the plebe have to stay at a church until the church denies the Trinity - or worse, they hire a woman pastor.  Al, if you really believe what you're saying, please tell pastors that once they become pastor of a church, they should stay there for their entire career.

3.  Why then, do mega churches spend so much on church marketing?  Al says people who change churches without a deep theological rift have a "consumerism" mindset. If we are not "consumers" and should not select a church based on preferences like worship style or programs offered by the church, then why on earth do mega churches treat us like consumers and spend so much money on church marketing, trying to steal sheep, and hiring guys like Maurilio Amorim? Al, if you really believe what you're saying, train your pastors to stop spending "God's money" on so much church marketing! And for goodness sake, please mega church pastors, inquire as to the reason why someone is joining your church and turn away those members who left their prior church for personal preferences!

4.  What About Abusive Churches and Pastors? Using Albert's standard, even if we find that our pastor covered-up for a pedophile, we don't have a right to leave the church. Sorry, Al, but most clear-thinking Christians know when it is in our best interests and the interests of our families to flee an abusive church and/or pastor. For example, I don't need a theological reason to leave a church pastored by this creep showing kids at a youth service how to "polish a shaft".

We could go on, but you get the point. Christian, you and your family have the right - even the Christian responsibility - to change churches and take your money with you for any reason you deem fit. It could be because the newly appointed pastor is more of a traveling evangelist who loves to go on cruises with the rich folk. Or maybe the pastor is an angry, pompous ass in the pulpit and you just can't stomach his rants each week.  It could be because your kids don't fit into the youth group, or the youth group is dysfunctional. It could be even something as simple as worship style preferences.

Friends, Albert Mohler is regarded by many to be one of the greatest minds in modern day evangelicalism. Albert telling church members they are morally bound to stay attached to their 501(c)3 religious organization else they are harming the cause of Christ, tells me that we not only can't trust men like Mohler and those he trains to teach the bible rightly, we can't trust them to make arguments that are logical, or even congruent with their other core beliefs.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Hotel Calvinista":
"Last thing I remember, I was
Running for the door
I had to find the church house
at the place I was before
'relax,' said Albert Mohler,
We are programmed to receive.
You can checkout any time you like,
But you can never leave!"

Ed Young Acquires Church Just 1/2 Mile from Perry Noble's Columbia, SC Satellite - Who Will Win the "Battle of the Tight Pants"?

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Ed Young announced last week that Fellowship Church has opened a new satellite church in Columbia, South Carolina - just 1/2 mile from Perry Noble's Columbia satellite church!

Ed Young's new Columbia satellite is actually an acquisition of an existing church (Friend Church) that is joining Ed Young's system of churches. Ed did the same thing in Miami last month, acquiring a former hispanic baptist in Midtown Miami. These acquisitions are a perfect business strategy for Ed: each of these new churches will be a place where he can sell his books and sermons, and where revenue can be brought back to the mother church.

Seeing Ed Young expand his church brand into South Carolina should not come as a surprise, given that Perry Noble has seen explosive growth with his satellites with revenue in excess of $25 million a year. There are plenty of peeps in South Carolina ready to join mega churches,and who are gullible enough to obey Noble's and Young's abusive tithing sermons (for sampling, click here, here, here, here, here, and here)

The continued expansion of mega churches using satellites and church acquisitions is further proof that modern evangelicalism is about mega church personalities who are seeking to build their personal and church brands by expanding into areas already saturated with churches to tap into wealthy markets.

This reminds me of this quote by SBC pastor Bart Barber that I featured on my blog last year:

"I predict that you won't soon see the following multi-campus sites opening: Fellowship Church Wilmer-Hutchins Campus, Saddleback Watts Campus, NorthPoint Community Church Bankhead Campus, or Second Baptist Houston Third-Ward Campus. The multi-site movement and the preponderance of domestic SBC church planting is focused like a laser upon those areas where people with lots of money live in church-friendly cultures—places where it is easy to fill a church with rich people." Bart Barber, Pastor FBC Farmersville (TX)

Bart is right on the money; Ed Young is a Southern Baptist, and he is expanding into areas where he can get new church members who have loads of money who just might be willing to give Ed their checking account numbers.

Recently, Pastor Tom Messer of Trinity Baptist Church in Jacksonville announced the church's plans to open a new satellite church in affluent St. John's county, just south of Jacksonville. Messer told his congregation how much it would cost, who would pay for it, and how the initial investment will yield positive dividends.

Said Tom Messer in Trinity's evening service on September 16, 2012:

"Look, its going to take us probably $150,000 in a budget and $150,000 in capital investment to start a South Campus. About $300,000. You say 'where is that money going to come from?'  You.  You say 'Really? We're going to give it to all those people down there in St. John's county?'  Yes!  You say 'Will they ever give it back?' Sure. Absolutely. They're going to invest it in YOUR rescue mission, they're going to invest it in YOUR college...". Pastor Tom Messer, 9/16/12

That quote is very telling, and gives us a glimpse into how pastors view satellites! The satellite church members are viewed as people that can give money that will come back to the mother church to the benefit of the church members!  
That is the modern model of mega church growth. Potential new church members are viewed as a market to be tapped. Potential church members are viewed as "giving units" who can begin generating positive cash flow to the mother church. Starting new, autonomous churches doesn't generate cash flow for the mother church, doesn't help hire new staff, or provide the needed revenue to justify an increase in the pastor's salary and expense budget.

It will be interesting to watch the battle of Perry Noble and Ed Young in Columbia. Reminds me of this video, where Will Ferrell and Jimmy Fallon quarrel over who has the tightest pants in the land.
 

"It's Not Your Money!!" Says Steven Furtick, as He Proudly Screams "Yes! The Church Wants Your Money!!"

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"Yes, the church wants your money!! Guess what?  It's not your money! God gave you that money, Big Boy!....my name is Steven Furtick, and I approve this message!" Steven Furtick - SEE VIDEO BELOW-----------------------------------What is so fascinating about mega church pastors is the new lows to which they plunge in their attempts to expand their church, and to extend their reach into the pockets of their followers.

In the video below, Steven Furtick of Elevation Church in Charlotte, NC, proudly proclaims that "Yes, the church wants your money", and then tells his church members as they hoot and holler:  "It's not your money!"

What Steven means is that he and his church have a greater right to your checking account than you do. None of your money is yours, says Steven. All of your money is God's, and you need to give God back at least 10% if not more, since he gave it to you. And here's the catch: to give God back what he gave you - which doesn't make sense since God owns it all anyways - according to Steven you have only one choice: give it to Elevation Church - because Steven is building the church that Jesus promised he would be responsible for.

"And once upon a time, there was a little girl named Goldilocks who went for a walk in the woods..."

Furtick's claim to his follower's money is so illogical, and so wrong-headed, that to hear the hoots and hollers from the crowd as Steven spews this nonsense, tells me this church is on its way to being a cult, and Steven Furtick a cult leader. Perhaps it is there already.

I don't point out the exploits of Furtick and his other mega church pastor friends just to get a laugh and chuckle. This is serious business, these guys are forever damaging Christianity in America.

When I heard Furtick spew this nonsense, it reminded me of the story a friend told me about why he had to stop attending his church. His pastor was so aggressive in raising money that he told the men in the congregation that if they were not tithing, they were not "real men". The pastor said they were having other men "pay their way", and that no real man would have another man pay their way. And for good measure, the pastor said if you're a man not tithing you probably are not a Christian. This man was giving some money to the church, but he was struggling financially, had two kids in college, and was being very generous to his family in providing for their material and educational needs. He went to church to get encouragement in his faith, but instead was told on multiple occasions from the pulpit that he was no damn good, was not a man, that the pastor was the "real" man, and that in fact he probably wasn't a Christian because he didn't give 10%.

So this man felt he couldn't return to the church and continue to expose his family to a preacher who denigrated their own father's faith and manhood from the pulpit.

This is what is happening in evangelical churches - pastors who have such a love of money and power, they are turning away clear-minded, rational-thinking believers. And young people who are very adept at seeing through these shallow preachers, will be turned away from Christianity altogether.

And what this will leave is churches predominantly filled with Kool Aid drinkers who don't dare question the pastor, and who will fork over 10% of their money based on fairy tales and myths and believe they are buying favor with God.

Avoid these churches like the plague, Christian.

Yes, the Church Wants Your Money, 'Cause it Ain't Yours Big Boy!! from FBCJax Watchdog on Vimeo.

Satan's Favorite Fiery Darts

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The Devil knows you very well. He knows your weaknesses. He knows which buttons to push. But thankfully, as a believer, you have everything you need. The Devil can not do one thing to you... unless you let him.
Inaddition to all of these, hold up the shield of faith to stop the fiery arrowsof the devil. Ephesians 6:16
Here are some of his favorites... 
1.  Unforgiveness - holding a grudge and being unwilling to forgive someone who has hurt you.
Instead,be kind to each other, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as Godthrough Christ has forgiven you. Ephesians 4:32
2. Anger - There is a righteous anger, but this is not that. Unrighteous Anger is usually personal... 
And“don’t sin by letting anger control you.” Don’t let the sun go down while youare still angry, for anger gives a foothold to the devil. Ephesians 4:26–27
Butnow is the time to get rid of anger, rage, malicious behavior, slander, anddirty language. Colossians 3:8
3. Doubt - This was the very first dart shot by Satan... He got Eve to doubt God. He loves to use this one.
Theserpent was the shrewdest of all the wild animals the Lord God had made. One day he asked the woman, “Did Godreally say you must not eat the fruit from any of the trees in the garden?”Genesis 3:1
4. Pride - A desire to have all the attention... "Hey, look at me and my accomplishments!" This was Satan's first sin.
Buthe gives us even more grace to stand against such evil desires. As theScriptures say, “God opposes the proud but favors the humble.”  So humble yourselves before God. Resist thedevil, and he will flee from you. James 4:6–7
5. Unholy Living - In other words... anything that is not like Jesus Christ.
Soyou must live as God’s obedient children. Don’t slip back into your old ways ofliving to satisfy your own desires. You didn’t know any better then.  But now you must be holy in everything youdo, just as God who chose you is holy. For the Scriptures say, “You must be holy because I am holy.” 1 Peter1:14–16
Dearfriends, I warn you as “temporary residents and foreigners” to keep away fromworldly desires that wage war against your very souls. 1 Peter 2:11
6. Creating Dissension - Do you like causing friction between friends? At work? At church? At school?
Obeyyour spiritual leaders, and do what they say. Their work is to watch over yoursouls, and they are accountable to God. Give them reason to do this with joyand not with sorrow. That would certainly not be for your benefit. Hebrews13:17
7. Adversity - This is when tough things happen to you that you have no control over... you didn't cause it... you didn't ask for it... it just happened. 
Ihave told you all this so that you may have peace in me. Here on earth you willhave many trials and sorrows. But take heart, because I have overcome theworld.” John 16:33

So which dart has your name on it?

Ed Young Acquires Church Just 1/2 Mile from Perry Noble's Columbia, SC Satellite - Who Will Win the "Battle of the Tight Pants"?

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Ed Young announced last week that Fellowship Church has opened a new satellite church in Columbia, South Carolina - just 1/2 mile from Perry Noble's Columbia satellite church!

Ed Young's new Columbia satellite is actually an acquisition of an existing church (Friend Church) that is joining Ed Young's system of churches. Ed did the same thing in Miami last month, acquiring a former hispanic baptist in Midtown Miami. These acquisitions are a perfect business strategy for Ed: each of these new churches will be a place where he can sell his books and sermons, and where revenue can be brought back to the mother church.

Seeing Ed Young expand his church brand into South Carolina should not come as a surprise, given that Perry Noble has seen explosive growth with his satellites with revenue in excess of $25 million a year. There are plenty of peeps in South Carolina ready to join mega churches,and who are gullible enough to obey Noble's and Young's abusive tithing sermons (for sampling, click here, here, here, here, here, and here)

The continued expansion of mega churches using satellites and church acquisitions is further proof that modern evangelicalism is about mega church personalities who are seeking to build their personal and church brands by expanding into areas already saturated with churches to tap into wealthy markets.

This reminds me of this quote by SBC pastor Bart Barber that I featured on my blog last year:

"I predict that you won't soon see the following multi-campus sites opening: Fellowship Church Wilmer-Hutchins Campus, Saddleback Watts Campus, NorthPoint Community Church Bankhead Campus, or Second Baptist Houston Third-Ward Campus. The multi-site movement and the preponderance of domestic SBC church planting is focused like a laser upon those areas where people with lots of money live in church-friendly cultures—places where it is easy to fill a church with rich people." Bart Barber, Pastor FBC Farmersville (TX)

Bart is right on the money; Ed Young is a Southern Baptist, and he is expanding into areas where he can get new church members who have loads of money who just might be willing to give Ed their checking account numbers.

Recently, Pastor Tom Messer of Trinity Baptist Church in Jacksonville announced the church's plans to open a new satellite church in affluent St. John's county, just south of Jacksonville. Messer told his congregation how much it would cost, who would pay for it, and how the initial investment will yield positive dividends.

Said Tom Messer in Trinity's evening service on September 16, 2012:

"Look, its going to take us probably $150,000 in a budget and $150,000 in capital investment to start a South Campus. About $300,000. You say 'where is that money going to come from?'  You.  You say 'Really? We're going to give it to all those people down there in St. John's county?'  Yes!  You say 'Will they ever give it back?' Sure. Absolutely. They're going to invest it in YOUR rescue mission, they're going to invest it in YOUR college...". Pastor Tom Messer, 9/16/12

That quote is very telling, and gives us a glimpse into how pastors view satellites! The satellite church members are viewed as people that can give money that will come back to the mother church to the benefit of the church members!  
That is the modern model of mega church growth. Potential new church members are viewed as a market to be tapped. Potential church members are viewed as "giving units" who can begin generating positive cash flow to the mother church. Starting new, autonomous churches doesn't generate cash flow for the mother church, doesn't help hire new staff, or provide the needed revenue to justify an increase in the pastor's salary and expense budget.

It will be interesting to watch the battle of Perry Noble and Ed Young in Columbia. Reminds me of this video, where Will Ferrell and Jimmy Fallon quarrel over who has the tightest pants in the land.
 

"It's Not Your Money!!" Says Steven Furtick, as He Proudly Screams "Yes! The Church Wants Your Money!!"

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"Yes, the church wants your money!! Guess what?  It's not your money! God gave you that money, Big Boy!....my name is Steven Furtick, and I approve this message!" Steven Furtick - SEE VIDEO BELOW-----------------------------------What is so fascinating about mega church pastors is the new lows to which they plunge in their attempts to expand their church, and to extend their reach into the pockets of their followers.

In the video below, Steven Furtick of Elevation Church in Charlotte, NC, proudly proclaims that "Yes, the church wants your money", and then tells his church members as they hoot and holler:  "It's not your money!"

What Steven means is that he and his church have a greater right to your checking account than you do. None of your money is yours, says Steven. All of your money is God's, and you need to give God back at least 10% if not more, since he gave it to you. And here's the catch: to give God back what he gave you - which doesn't make sense since God owns it all anyways - according to Steven you have only one choice: give it to Elevation Church - because Steven is building the church that Jesus promised he would be responsible for.

"And once upon a time, there was a little girl named Goldilocks who went for a walk in the woods..."

Furtick's claim to his follower's money is so illogical, and so wrong-headed, that to hear the hoots and hollers from the crowd as Steven spews this nonsense, tells me this church is on its way to being a cult, and Steven Furtick a cult leader. Perhaps it is there already.

I don't point out the exploits of Furtick and his other mega church pastor friends just to get a laugh and chuckle. This is serious business, these guys are forever damaging Christianity in America.

When I heard Furtick spew this nonsense, it reminded me of the story a friend told me about why he had to stop attending his church. His pastor was so aggressive in raising money that he told the men in the congregation that if they were not tithing, they were not "real men". The pastor said they were having other men "pay their way", and that no real man would have another man pay their way. And for good measure, the pastor said if you're a man not tithing you probably are not a Christian. This man was giving some money to the church, but he was struggling financially, had two kids in college, and was being very generous to his family in providing for their material and educational needs. He went to church to get encouragement in his faith, but instead was told on multiple occasions from the pulpit that he was no damn good, was not a man, that the pastor was the "real" man, and that in fact he probably wasn't a Christian because he didn't give 10%.

So this man felt he couldn't return to the church and continue to expose his family to a preacher who denigrated their own father's faith and manhood from the pulpit.

This is what is happening in evangelical churches - pastors who have such a love of money and power, they are turning away clear-minded, rational-thinking believers. And young people who are very adept at seeing through these shallow preachers, will be turned away from Christianity altogether.

And what this will leave is churches predominantly filled with Kool Aid drinkers who don't dare question the pastor, and who will fork over 10% of their money based on fairy tales and myths and believe they are buying favor with God.

Avoid these churches like the plague, Christian.

Yes, the Church Wants Your Money, 'Cause it Ain't Yours Big Boy!! from FBCJax Watchdog on Vimeo.

Preacher's kid

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Preacher's kid (abbreviated as PK) is a term to refer to a child of a preacher, pastor, deacon, vicar, minister or other similar church leader. Although the phrase can be used in a purely descriptive way, it is often used pejoratively or stereotypically. It is mainly used in the United States.

Some clergy live in social networks that impose uncodified and perhaps unconscious expectations about the conduct, not only of the clergy themselves, but also the members of their families.[1] Children of church leaders are often subjected to greater scrutiny by the community than other children. People around them, including their parents, often set higher moral and behavioral standards for these children. Due to the greater visibility of these children, their mistakes are magnified and given extra attention. In addition, these children often sense that they are treated differently from others and can react in various disruptive ways. The term also has connotations of itinerance, with the preacher's kid following their parent on the latter's postings to different congregations.[2] Finally, preachers' kids witness the day to day business of their religious congregations more intimately than the non-clergy members do, and become familiar with church administration and the social dimensions of dealing with the congregation at an early age. A large number of the children of Protestant and Jewish clergy go on to become members of the clergy themselves.[3]

Preacher's kid syndrome is a situation in which the parents of a preacher's kid are attuned to everyone's problems but those of the kid.[4]

Stereotypes

All of these factors lead to a preacher's kid stereotype. There are two general stereotypes of preachers' kids.

Stereotype one

Preachers' kids act as if they are "holier-than-thou." They preach their beliefs to anybody they encounter. They do not like to be wrong about what they preach, even in the opinions of others. They may be also prepotent, and in some cases, spoiled brats.

Stereotype two

Preachers' kids start out as good, faithful children, but anywhere from their preteen years to their adult life, they rebel. They do anything they can to avoid the church and its practices. They may deny their parents outright or they may be rebellious behind their parents' backs.[5][6]
Contents

1 Famous examples
2 References
3 Further reading
4 External links

[edit] 1 Famous examples

List of children of clergy

[edit] 2 References

^ Thomas W. Klink, "The Ministry as Career and Crisis", in Pastoral Psychology, v. 20 no. 6 pp. 13-19 (Springer: 1969)
^ DeLeon, David (1994). Leaders from the 1960s. Westport: Greenwood Press. ISBN 0313274142.
^ David Peterson, "Preachers' kids; The children of preachers saw life in their church or synagogue from the inside. Many rejected the preacher's life, but others were drawn to follow their father's footsteps." (Minneapolis Star Tribune, byline Oct. 11, 1997, accessed Nov. 21, 2008)
^ Coats, Karen (2007) . Bulletin of the Center for Children's Books [0008-9036], volume 60, p.332
^ "Rebel Graham Son Finds His Cause". Albuquerque Journal. May 4, 1998.
^ Maxwell, Bill (May 13, 2001). "A Preacher's Kid is exposed". St. Petersburg Times. Retrieved 2008-11-20.

[edit] 3 Further reading

Amy L Woods (1995). Preacher's kid. Regent University, Virginia Beach, Va. 1995. OCLC 33477968
Everett, Liz (July 20, 2000). "Preacher's kids not any different". Amarillo Globe-News.
Keleigh Crigler Hadley (2009). Preacher's Kids.http://www.amazon.com/Preachers-Kids-Keleigh-Crigler-Hadley/dp/1449504418/ref=cm_lm_byauthor_prod_0_1

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Douglas F. Campbell, The Clergy Family in Canada: Focus on Adult PK's, read at the annual meeting of the Association for the Sociology of Religion, Washington, D.C., August 18-20, 1995.[dead link]


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Articles for deletion This page was nominated for deletion on 20 November 2008 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep.

For a December 2004 deletion debate over this page see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Preacher's Kid

"PK" is a slang term used among Christians and heard by others. If they do not know what a PK is, it will not be found in the dictionary or in the encyclopedia.

There are terms such as "Xian" meaning Christian on this site. "PK" is another one of those slang terms that is used by sone and not everybody knows. Therefore, they may come here looking for a definition.

This is where I found "Xian."

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Does anyone else it would be great if "Pastor's Kid" was a wikipedia category/list? Off the top of my head there's Condaleeza Rice, John Ashcroft, Britney Spears... and way more. -Genesis Winter
[edit] Article only portrays two stereotypes

This article only portrays two stereotypes, the "rebellious teen" and the "holier than thou". It doesn't really discuss the problems and resentments that can build up. The pressure on the kids to have exemplary behavior and not cause trouble for the father, combined with the father who is very busy, but seems to have unlimited time for everybody else but the family. This profession is a difficult one to balance the demands of the job and the family, the fathers often come home emotionally drained by continuous contact with people and their problems, to collapse at home, with the family feeling pressure not to add their own problems to the burdens already on the father. Perhaps a third stereotype that also has some truth would be the kids that feel pressure to always be perfect, friendly and happy, and that have learned to repress their own feelings and sense of abandonment.--Silverback 09:14, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

This third stereotype is probably the most widespread amongst the many PKs I grew up with. PKs that were all happy, friendly, polite, the perfect children as far as the outside world was concerned. Seeing how we grew up, and the many that have had unhappy lives makes you wonder just how many of those perfect children were deeply troubled underneath. Our feelings were not the important ones, PKs were there to serve the parish, trained not to mind when parents had no time for them. This sense of abandonment and of being unlovable as a result of not having attention lavished on one must surely have a big effect on adult relationships. The scars run deep, but one feels they must always be hidden. How many attract partners and then feel beholden to stay with them because of that sense of duty implanted as a child? Surely a fascinating subject for psychological studies.

Scrundle 11:29, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

New to editing on WikiPedia so if I screw up protocol or something, just let me know.

Silverback and Scrundle have it. As a PK myself, I can attest to this third stereotype... I was actually quite disappointed to see the phenomenon so poorly represented in this article. (I would love to edit it, but as I said, I'm a bit nervous about breaching WikiPedia protocol for editing, bibliography and so on.) We weren't an unhappy family as a whole, but there was a growing sense of resentment over things like, for example, never being able to go fishing with my dad because he was too busy with counseling appointments. As a family we were all involved in the ministry, so it wasn't like Dad was the only one engaged in things, but it all left very little time for us to be family and do crazy things like take vacations.

There's more to the story than just 3 stereotypes, though. Scrundle hit on part of it. Having been indoctrinated to be both of service to a community and to keep our issues on the down-low, we often end up in relationships that aren't ideal and have issues getting out of them. Communication issues abound due to the "seen and not heard" aspect of our childhoods. Many of us will work to exhaustion to "fix" these relationships (and even partners), mirroring our parents' role as marriage and family counsellors. Anecdotally, we have a predisposition to codependence due to our need to be loved and willingness to kill ourselves to maintain a relationship.

The problem is that I don't know of any works that express these things, so the bibliography would be a bit short and I know that personal observations and experience aren't considered to meet the standards of WikiPedia.

--ArmchairDeity (talk) 15:48, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

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For the movie starring LeToya Luckett and Durrell Babbs see Preacher's Kid (film).


Preacher's kid (abbreviated as PK) is a term to refer to a child of a preacher, pastor, deacon, vicar, minister or other similar church leader. Although the phrase can be used in a purely descriptive way, it is often used pejoratively or stereotypically. It is mainly used in the United States.

Some clergy live in social networks that impose uncodified and perhaps unconscious expectations about the conduct, not only of the clergy themselves, but also the members of their families.[1] Children of church leaders are often subjected to greater scrutiny by the community than other children. People around them, including their parents, often set higher moral and behavioral standards for these children. Due to the greater visibility of these children, their mistakes are magnified and given extra attention. In addition, these children often sense that they are treated differently from others and can react in various disruptive ways. The term also has connotations of itinerance, with the preacher's kid following their parent on the latter's postings to different congregations.[2] Finally, preachers' kids witness the day to day business of their religious congregations more intimately than the non-clergy members do, and become familiar with church administration and the social dimensions of dealing with the congregation at an early age. A large number of the children of Protestant and Jewish clergy go on to become members of the clergy themselves.[3]

Preacher's kid syndrome is a situation in which the parents of a preacher's kid are attuned to everyone's problems but those of the kid.[4]
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1 Stereotypes
2 Famous examples
3 See also
4 References
5 Further reading
6 External links

1 Stereotypes

All of these factors lead to a preacher's kid stereotype. There are two general stereotypes of preachers' kids.

Stereotype one

Preachers' kids act as if they are "holier-than-thou." They preach their beliefs to anybody they encounter. They do not like to be wrong about what they preach, even in the opinions of others. They may be also prepotent, and in some cases, spoiled brats.

Stereotype two

Preachers' kids start out as good, faithful children, but anywhere from their preteen years to their adult life, they rebel. They do anything they can to avoid the church and its practices. They may deny their parents outright or they may be rebellious behind their parents' backs.[5][6]
2 Famous examples

Tori Amos
Ingmar Bergman
Nat King Cole
Alice Cooper
Gudrun Ensslin
Aretha Franklin
Mark Few
Marvin Gaye
Phil Jackson (both parents)
Carl Jung
Art Linkletter[7]
Charlie Manuel
George McGovern
Friedrich Nietzsche
Katy Perry
Condoleezza Rice
Jessica Simpson
Harriet Beecher Stowe
David Tennant
Nicola Tesla
Vincent Van Gogh
Denzel Washington
The Wright Brothers
Malcolm X
Jonas Brothers
Elijah Muhammad
Gordon Brown

3 See also

List of children of clergy

4 References

^ Thomas W. Klink, "The Ministry as Career and Crisis", in Pastoral Psychology, v. 20 no. 6, pp. 13-19 (Springer: 1969)
^ DeLeon, David (1994). Leaders from the 1960s. Westport: Greenwood Press. ISBN 0313274142.
^ David Peterson, "Preachers' kids; The children of preachers saw life in their church or synagogue from the inside. Many rejected the preacher's life, but others were drawn to follow their father's footsteps." (Minneapolis Star Tribune, byline Oct. 11, 1997, accessed Nov. 21, 2008)
^ Coats, Karen (2007) . Bulletin of the Center for Children's Books [0008-9036], volume 60, p.332
^ "Rebel Graham Son Finds His Cause". Albuquerque Journal. May 4, 1998.
^ Maxwell, Bill (May 13, 2001). "A Preacher's Kid is exposed". St. Petersburg Times. Retrieved 2008-11-20.
^ Mann, Arnold (November 11, 2002). "Preacher's Kid". TIME. Retrieved 2008-11-20.

5 Further reading

Amy L Woods (1995). Preacher's kid. Regent University, Virginia Beach, Va. 1995. OCLC 33477968
Everett, Liz (July 20, 2000). "Preacher's kids not any different". Amarillo Globe-News.

6 External links

Douglas F. Campbell, The Clergy Family in Canada: Focus on Adult PK's, read at the annual meeting of the Association for the Sociology of Religion, Washington, D.C., August 18-20, 1995.[dead link]

Don't even think about it!

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"Don't even think about it!" is an emphatic prohibition[1] popularized by a 1993 Pepsi commercial featuring Shaquille O'Neal, a famous basketball player.
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1 History
2 Popularization
3 Cultural references
4 References
5 See also
6 Further reading

[edit] 1 History
A "Don't even THINK of parking here" sign in New York City

The catchphrase as used by the Pepsi ad was based upon a similar phrase, "Don't even THINK of parking here", which came into use on no parking signs in major cities such as New York City and Chicago.[2][3] The signs first appeared in New York in 1982 during Ed Koch's mayoral administration.[4][5]
[edit] 2 Popularization

The 1993 commercial featuring O'Neal begins with him playing hoops at a street basketball court. A little kid notices him, and exclaims O'Neal's nickname, "Shaq". O'Neal, noticing that the kid has a Pepsi in his hand, walks over and says "Hey, can I have it?" He bends over, supposing that his admirer will give him the soda, but the kid refuses, saying: "Don't even think about it!" Suddenly, a sound simulating that of a scratched record is heard, and the commercial ends with the Pepsi logo and slogan.

The commercial is actually a parody of another famous one from the 1970s produced by Pepsi's rival, Coca-Cola, in which a young boy meets football player "Mean" Joe Greene as he is leaving the field after a game. The boy gives his hero a bottle of Coke and, in exchange for the drink, the football player throws his towel to the boy, who excitedly catches the souvenir.
[edit] 3 Cultural references

The phrase also appears in series 4, episode 5 of Men Behaving Badly, when a drunken Gary climbs into bed intent on having sex with the sleeping Dorothy; it is revealed that she is wearing a T-shirt with "Don't even think about it!" written on it in large letters. The phrase was also used as the title of a 2004 book by Lauren Henderson.[6]
[edit] 4 References

^ Bruce K. Waltke. "The Book of Proverbs: Chapters 15-31". p. 265.
^ E.J. Dionne (August 16, 1998). No Go. The Washington Post.
^ "13 Ways to Get Message on Parking". Chicago Tribune. Associated Press: p. 4. March 5, 1987. Retrieved January 1, 2011.
^ Ari L. Goldman (June 15, 1982). "Bus-Only Lanes to be Increased to Speed Travel". The New York Times: section A, p. 1.
^ Clyde Haberman and Laurie Johnston (September 4, 1982). "New York Day by Day". The New York Times: section 1, p. 24.
^ Lauren Henderson (2004). Don't Even Think About It. Downtown Press. ISBN 0743464699.

[edit] 5 See also

Parking violation

[edit] 6 Further reading

Paul Trapido, Barbara Ensor (1986). Don't Even Think of Parking Here: The New York City Guide to Parking and Driving. Simon & Schuster. ISBN 0671628369.


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Articles for deletion This page was nominated for deletion on 3 June 2009 (UTC). The result of the discussion was no consensus.

a spoiler alert for a tv commercial? what next? Kingturtle 22:51 May 13, 2003 (UTC)

Doesn't this fall under #5 of What Wikipedia is not? A slang and idiom guide? DanKeshet 04:07, Aug 23, 2003 (UTC)

No because the article is actually about the commercial, but I wrote the explanation of the phrase as a prefix so that non-Americans can understand why it was used in the commercial.

Antonio Bang Bang Baby Bang Bang! Martin

The article is no longer about the commercial. I don't think that anything referenced within, either a five-year old commercial or a reference within a television show, is particluarly notable. SixFourThree (talk) 14:26, 9 May 2008 (UTC)SixFourThree

What about Where's the beef?? I think Don't even think about it! is up to the same snuff. Kingturtle (talk) 19:33, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Comparing the two articles, I don't agree. Maybe if somebody cuts a single about "Don't Even Think About It." SixFourThree (talk) 17:46, 16 May 2008 (UTC)SixFourThree

Problem is: the New York sign says: don't even think of... not about. Important for learners (but the sign is funny though).Klebbsen (talk) 19:43, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
[edit] Direction for Article?

I did some cleanup of the article today (my first good deed for the new year). I think the article might be more valuable for the traffic sign - I was looking at another Wikipedia article about road signs in the U.S. and the NYC parking restriction sign piqued my interest. Through some googling, I was led back to Wikipedia and this article.

My cleanup involved fixing the picture, giving the article a more formal tone, and adding some links which may be of more interest to someone seeking info on the sign. I also linked back to this article from the road signs article and another article, Parking violation. I'm unsure what to do at this point. Perhaps an article on the sign itself is warranted? It certainly is a strange and interesting one! Kfranco (talk) 22:35, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

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The Devil knows you very well. He knows your weaknesses. He knows which buttons to push. But thankfully, as a believer, you have everything you need. The Devil can not do one thing to you... unless you let him.
Inaddition to all of these, hold up the shield of faith to stop the fiery arrowsof the devil. Ephesians 6:16
Here are some of his favorites... 
1.  Unforgiveness - holding a grudge and being unwilling to forgive someone who has hurt you.
Instead,be kind to each other, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as Godthrough Christ has forgiven you. Ephesians 4:32
2. Anger - There is a righteous anger, but this is not that. Unrighteous Anger is usually personal... 
And“don’t sin by letting anger control you.” Don’t let the sun go down while youare still angry, for anger gives a foothold to the devil. Ephesians 4:26–27
Butnow is the time to get rid of anger, rage, malicious behavior, slander, anddirty language. Colossians 3:8
3. Doubt - This was the very first dart shot by Satan... He got Eve to doubt God. He loves to use this one.
Theserpent was the shrewdest of all the wild animals the Lord God had made. One day he asked the woman, “Did Godreally say you must not eat the fruit from any of the trees in the garden?”Genesis 3:1
4. Pride - A desire to have all the attention... "Hey, look at me and my accomplishments!" This was Satan's first sin.
Buthe gives us even more grace to stand against such evil desires. As theScriptures say, “God opposes the proud but favors the humble.”  So humble yourselves before God. Resist thedevil, and he will flee from you. James 4:6–7
5. Unholy Living - In other words... anything that is not like Jesus Christ.
Soyou must live as God’s obedient children. Don’t slip back into your old ways ofliving to satisfy your own desires. You didn’t know any better then.  But now you must be holy in everything youdo, just as God who chose you is holy. For the Scriptures say, “You must be holy because I am holy.” 1 Peter1:14–16
Dearfriends, I warn you as “temporary residents and foreigners” to keep away fromworldly desires that wage war against your very souls. 1 Peter 2:11
6. Creating Dissension - Do you like causing friction between friends? At work? At church? At school?
Obeyyour spiritual leaders, and do what they say. Their work is to watch over yoursouls, and they are accountable to God. Give them reason to do this with joyand not with sorrow. That would certainly not be for your benefit. Hebrews13:17
7. Adversity - This is when tough things happen to you that you have no control over... you didn't cause it... you didn't ask for it... it just happened. 
Ihave told you all this so that you may have peace in me. Here on earth you willhave many trials and sorrows. But take heart, because I have overcome theworld.” John 16:33

So which dart has your name on it?