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The Maronite Church is one of the Eastern Catholic Churches in communion with the Pope, but allowed to operate autonomously. They are largely Lebanese, having roots tracing back to a monk named St. Maron, for whom they are named. Separate from Rome for many years, they later became affiliated with the Pope around the 12th century.
Our Lady's Maronite Catholic Church is largely Lebanese, but not exclusively by any means. I have passed the church on several occasions and have been curious about visiting. The building has a style similar to what you might see at an Orthodox Church. As you approach the entrance, you pass a memorial garden that's attractive enough that you almost want to just go sit there for awhile. Entering the building, I immediately smelled the familiar smell of incense throughout the place. If you have been in liturgical services that use incense, you understand how that smell can immediately put your mind and body in a place where you are ready to worship. Although the people were generally warm, no one greeted me coming in and I found my way to the service books and into the sanctuary on my own. The church isn't very large, so this was no problem.
The sanctuary is absolutely beautiful. It has stained glass windows with pictures of various saints and depictions of key scenes in the life of Christ throughout. There is an altar, which sits behind a curtain up front (it is similarly positioned as an iconostasis is in an Orthodox Church). The ceiling has a large icon of Christ on it and the ceiling above the altar has one of Mary. The sanctuary is not particularly large, but it is wonderful to be in! You can really feel the presence of God while sitting there in a place that has been specifically designed for worship and reverence of Him.
The service was equally beautiful. The Maronite Rite feels like a cross between an Orthodox and Catholic service (which makes sense, given it's an Eastern Catholic Church). The service has an ancient feel to it, with chanting, incense and beautiful music. There are quite a few prayers as well. Although the liturgical language of Syriac is used some, the services are largely in English. It was very heavenly and being a part of the service really brought me to a great place of worship. The prayers, chanting, music and all really bring you to a place where you appreciate and remember the greatness of God (and kind of makes you feel silly that you sometimes pray for things like your football team to win).
The focus of the service was on those who have died in the faith. There were pictures on display of family members and others. The homily also revolved around loved ones who have died. The minister was fairly brief and very interesting to listen to. There was also a baptism. This, of course, is always a special moment in the life of the church. The child was cute and cried several times, reminding us that in the midst of this life-giving sacrament, we are still just human. The baptism rite included the congregation renewing their baptismal vows. One thing the minister said about baptism that stuck in my mind was that it was like plugging in a lamp. It plugs us into the energy source. However, as he pointed out, we still have to turn the lamp on. That's our response to God and our baptism.
Anyway, I can't recommend this church enough. I wish I was more eloquent and could describe the service in a way where you can picture it, but instead I will just say this: You will truly know that you have been in a holy place set aside to honor God for worship as you leave.
25 Şubat 2013 Pazartesi
St. David's Episcopal Church
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St. David's Episcopal Church is a beautiful church located in downtown Austin. It's a very active church, with multiple services all during the week. I was looking forward to this service as my personal experience is that the Episcopal Churches have possibly the most beautiful liturgy in the world (of course, that is merely my opinion). Parking is in a parking garage right next to the church. I recommend the church post signs explaining what to do once you pull into the garage. I wandered a bit, finally walked around the side of the building, stepped over a couple of homeless people sleeping on the sidewalk (yes, something felt strange about stepping over a homeless person on the way to worship), and came in the back door. I take these little cards with me and drop them in the offering plate after I visit a church. I had forgotten my card, so I went back out and around the building, into the garage and got the card. I then realized some people were taking the elevator and I went that way. (Again, no real indication on which floor to take). I went up a level, walked around a corner and then found the entrance to the church, which is kind of counter-intuitive because it's the entrance that faces into the block rather than the street. Of course, then I couldn't find my way to the sanctuary! Fortunately, I looked lost enough that a very nice lady asked me if I needed help and she gave me directions to the sanctuary. So, I finally got back to my seat and was able to take in the atmosphere.
The building is beautiful. What is most interesting about the stained glass windows is the dates when they were dedicated. Many were in the 1800s. The church, on the inside, simply does not look that old. It's very well kept and, although large and breathtaking, really has a cozy feel to it. Another thing I noticed is that there was a large number of people of all ages. I have been in many Episcopal Churches in which the crowd appeared to be mostly elderly. This was definitely not the case. The people appeared fairly enthusiastic about being there.
The music in the church is outstanding and everyone in the service was singing. In fact, I initially thought they were piping in voices or had the choir miked with speakers in the back, but it was obvious that the singing was coming from all around. Throughout the service, the people were truly engaged with the Scripture readings, the responsive readings, the prayers, and the sermon. During "the peace" people were walking all over the building to greet each other. At one point, the person behind me introduced herself and asked if I was new. She said she used to attend here before moving and she missed the place very much. She went on to say how great a church it was. Again, lots of enthusiasm.
The service followed the Book of Common Prayer liturgy. Something they do that is the first time I've seen in an Episcopal Church is they put the entire liturgy in the bulletin. That way, you don't have to flip back-and-forth through the BCP to figure out where you are. In fact, a common joke among Episcopalians is you can tell who has been in the church the longest based on whether or not they have the liturgy memorized (that's the longest), whether or not they know how to follow the order of service (that's a little newer), or whether or not they are flipping back-and-forth lost most of the time (that's the newest people). Not having to navigate the BCP allows one to focus on the service. Very nice touch!
The Scripture reading from the Old Testament was about the bronze serpent Moses raised up for the Israelites to look to as a cure for the snakes biting them. The Gospel reading referenced it as well. The sermon was delivered by Amy Moehnke, who is the Director of Youth Ministries. She talked about how the people were told to look to the serpent rather than avoiding the snakes biting them and how this really required suspending rational thought and trusting in the cure. She went on to apply that passage to Jesus, as He did Himself, in the Gospel reading. It was a little surprising, and I think appropriate, to hear an Episcopal sermon telling people to suspend their rational mind and trust in something that doesn't make sense. Typically, the knock you hear from outsiders on Episcopalians revolves around their denial of some of the tenants of the faith due to rational and logical arguments. However, this sermon demonstrated this is most likely an exaggeration of Episcopal theology. Amy is an engaging speaker and was very enjoyable to listen to.
Communion was served. All who believe in Christ were invited to participate. Music continued through communion and then the service closed. I really enjoyed the service. It's great to be among people who, although following a structured liturgy, do not appear to be just "going through the motions." Put that in the context of this historic church, beautiful building with reminders of their past as well as evidence of a vibrant, present life, and you will find this to be a great place to worship. Add on top of that the inclusive, loving and inviting hearts of the people and I think you'll find this a place most anyone could call home. I will probably take advantage of the multiple opportunities each week to worship to return to this church again.
The building is beautiful. What is most interesting about the stained glass windows is the dates when they were dedicated. Many were in the 1800s. The church, on the inside, simply does not look that old. It's very well kept and, although large and breathtaking, really has a cozy feel to it. Another thing I noticed is that there was a large number of people of all ages. I have been in many Episcopal Churches in which the crowd appeared to be mostly elderly. This was definitely not the case. The people appeared fairly enthusiastic about being there.
The music in the church is outstanding and everyone in the service was singing. In fact, I initially thought they were piping in voices or had the choir miked with speakers in the back, but it was obvious that the singing was coming from all around. Throughout the service, the people were truly engaged with the Scripture readings, the responsive readings, the prayers, and the sermon. During "the peace" people were walking all over the building to greet each other. At one point, the person behind me introduced herself and asked if I was new. She said she used to attend here before moving and she missed the place very much. She went on to say how great a church it was. Again, lots of enthusiasm.
The service followed the Book of Common Prayer liturgy. Something they do that is the first time I've seen in an Episcopal Church is they put the entire liturgy in the bulletin. That way, you don't have to flip back-and-forth through the BCP to figure out where you are. In fact, a common joke among Episcopalians is you can tell who has been in the church the longest based on whether or not they have the liturgy memorized (that's the longest), whether or not they know how to follow the order of service (that's a little newer), or whether or not they are flipping back-and-forth lost most of the time (that's the newest people). Not having to navigate the BCP allows one to focus on the service. Very nice touch!
The Scripture reading from the Old Testament was about the bronze serpent Moses raised up for the Israelites to look to as a cure for the snakes biting them. The Gospel reading referenced it as well. The sermon was delivered by Amy Moehnke, who is the Director of Youth Ministries. She talked about how the people were told to look to the serpent rather than avoiding the snakes biting them and how this really required suspending rational thought and trusting in the cure. She went on to apply that passage to Jesus, as He did Himself, in the Gospel reading. It was a little surprising, and I think appropriate, to hear an Episcopal sermon telling people to suspend their rational mind and trust in something that doesn't make sense. Typically, the knock you hear from outsiders on Episcopalians revolves around their denial of some of the tenants of the faith due to rational and logical arguments. However, this sermon demonstrated this is most likely an exaggeration of Episcopal theology. Amy is an engaging speaker and was very enjoyable to listen to.
Communion was served. All who believe in Christ were invited to participate. Music continued through communion and then the service closed. I really enjoyed the service. It's great to be among people who, although following a structured liturgy, do not appear to be just "going through the motions." Put that in the context of this historic church, beautiful building with reminders of their past as well as evidence of a vibrant, present life, and you will find this to be a great place to worship. Add on top of that the inclusive, loving and inviting hearts of the people and I think you'll find this a place most anyone could call home. I will probably take advantage of the multiple opportunities each week to worship to return to this church again.
Satan's Favorite Fiery Darts
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The Devil knows you very well. He knows your weaknesses. He knows which buttons to push. But thankfully, as a believer, you have everything you need. The Devil can not do one thing to you... unless you let him.
Inaddition to all of these, hold up the shield of faith to stop the fiery arrowsof the devil. Ephesians 6:16
Here are some of his favorites...
1. Unforgiveness - holding a grudge and being unwilling to forgive someone who has hurt you.
Instead,be kind to each other, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as Godthrough Christ has forgiven you. Ephesians 4:32
2. Anger - There is a righteous anger, but this is not that. Unrighteous Anger is usually personal...
And“don’t sin by letting anger control you.” Don’t let the sun go down while youare still angry, for anger gives a foothold to the devil. Ephesians 4:26–27
Butnow is the time to get rid of anger, rage, malicious behavior, slander, anddirty language. Colossians 3:8
3. Doubt - This was the very first dart shot by Satan... He got Eve to doubt God. He loves to use this one.
Theserpent was the shrewdest of all the wild animals the Lord God had made. One day he asked the woman, “Did Godreally say you must not eat the fruit from any of the trees in the garden?”Genesis 3:1
4. Pride - A desire to have all the attention... "Hey, look at me and my accomplishments!" This was Satan's first sin.
Buthe gives us even more grace to stand against such evil desires. As theScriptures say, “God opposes the proud but favors the humble.” So humble yourselves before God. Resist thedevil, and he will flee from you. James 4:6–7
5. Unholy Living - In other words... anything that is not like Jesus Christ.
Soyou must live as God’s obedient children. Don’t slip back into your old ways ofliving to satisfy your own desires. You didn’t know any better then. But now you must be holy in everything youdo, just as God who chose you is holy. For the Scriptures say, “You must be holy because I am holy.” 1 Peter1:14–16
Dearfriends, I warn you as “temporary residents and foreigners” to keep away fromworldly desires that wage war against your very souls. 1 Peter 2:11
6. Creating Dissension - Do you like causing friction between friends? At work? At church? At school?
Obeyyour spiritual leaders, and do what they say. Their work is to watch over yoursouls, and they are accountable to God. Give them reason to do this with joyand not with sorrow. That would certainly not be for your benefit. Hebrews13:17
7. Adversity - This is when tough things happen to you that you have no control over... you didn't cause it... you didn't ask for it... it just happened.
Ihave told you all this so that you may have peace in me. Here on earth you willhave many trials and sorrows. But take heart, because I have overcome theworld.” John 16:33
So which dart has your name on it?
The Devil knows you very well. He knows your weaknesses. He knows which buttons to push. But thankfully, as a believer, you have everything you need. The Devil can not do one thing to you... unless you let him.
Inaddition to all of these, hold up the shield of faith to stop the fiery arrowsof the devil. Ephesians 6:16
1. Unforgiveness - holding a grudge and being unwilling to forgive someone who has hurt you.
Instead,be kind to each other, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as Godthrough Christ has forgiven you. Ephesians 4:32
2. Anger - There is a righteous anger, but this is not that. Unrighteous Anger is usually personal...
And“don’t sin by letting anger control you.” Don’t let the sun go down while youare still angry, for anger gives a foothold to the devil. Ephesians 4:26–27
Butnow is the time to get rid of anger, rage, malicious behavior, slander, anddirty language. Colossians 3:8
3. Doubt - This was the very first dart shot by Satan... He got Eve to doubt God. He loves to use this one.
Theserpent was the shrewdest of all the wild animals the Lord God had made. One day he asked the woman, “Did Godreally say you must not eat the fruit from any of the trees in the garden?”Genesis 3:1
4. Pride - A desire to have all the attention... "Hey, look at me and my accomplishments!" This was Satan's first sin.
Buthe gives us even more grace to stand against such evil desires. As theScriptures say, “God opposes the proud but favors the humble.” So humble yourselves before God. Resist thedevil, and he will flee from you. James 4:6–7
5. Unholy Living - In other words... anything that is not like Jesus Christ.
Soyou must live as God’s obedient children. Don’t slip back into your old ways ofliving to satisfy your own desires. You didn’t know any better then. But now you must be holy in everything youdo, just as God who chose you is holy. For the Scriptures say, “You must be holy because I am holy.” 1 Peter1:14–16
Dearfriends, I warn you as “temporary residents and foreigners” to keep away fromworldly desires that wage war against your very souls. 1 Peter 2:11
6. Creating Dissension - Do you like causing friction between friends? At work? At church? At school?
Obeyyour spiritual leaders, and do what they say. Their work is to watch over yoursouls, and they are accountable to God. Give them reason to do this with joyand not with sorrow. That would certainly not be for your benefit. Hebrews13:17
7. Adversity - This is when tough things happen to you that you have no control over... you didn't cause it... you didn't ask for it... it just happened.
Ihave told you all this so that you may have peace in me. Here on earth you willhave many trials and sorrows. But take heart, because I have overcome theworld.” John 16:33
So which dart has your name on it?
Preacher's kid
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Preacher's kid (abbreviated as PK) is a term to refer to a child of a preacher, pastor, deacon, vicar, minister or other similar church leader. Although the phrase can be used in a purely descriptive way, it is often used pejoratively or stereotypically. It is mainly used in the United States.
Some clergy live in social networks that impose uncodified and perhaps unconscious expectations about the conduct, not only of the clergy themselves, but also the members of their families.[1] Children of church leaders are often subjected to greater scrutiny by the community than other children. People around them, including their parents, often set higher moral and behavioral standards for these children. Due to the greater visibility of these children, their mistakes are magnified and given extra attention. In addition, these children often sense that they are treated differently from others and can react in various disruptive ways. The term also has connotations of itinerance, with the preacher's kid following their parent on the latter's postings to different congregations.[2] Finally, preachers' kids witness the day to day business of their religious congregations more intimately than the non-clergy members do, and become familiar with church administration and the social dimensions of dealing with the congregation at an early age. A large number of the children of Protestant and Jewish clergy go on to become members of the clergy themselves.[3]
Preacher's kid syndrome is a situation in which the parents of a preacher's kid are attuned to everyone's problems but those of the kid.[4]
Stereotypes
All of these factors lead to a preacher's kid stereotype. There are two general stereotypes of preachers' kids.
Stereotype one
Preachers' kids act as if they are "holier-than-thou." They preach their beliefs to anybody they encounter. They do not like to be wrong about what they preach, even in the opinions of others. They may be also prepotent, and in some cases, spoiled brats.
Stereotype two
Preachers' kids start out as good, faithful children, but anywhere from their preteen years to their adult life, they rebel. They do anything they can to avoid the church and its practices. They may deny their parents outright or they may be rebellious behind their parents' backs.[5][6]
Contents
1 Famous examples
2 References
3 Further reading
4 External links
[edit] 1 Famous examples
List of children of clergy
[edit] 2 References
^ Thomas W. Klink, "The Ministry as Career and Crisis", in Pastoral Psychology, v. 20 no. 6 pp. 13-19 (Springer: 1969)
^ DeLeon, David (1994). Leaders from the 1960s. Westport: Greenwood Press. ISBN 0313274142.
^ David Peterson, "Preachers' kids; The children of preachers saw life in their church or synagogue from the inside. Many rejected the preacher's life, but others were drawn to follow their father's footsteps." (Minneapolis Star Tribune, byline Oct. 11, 1997, accessed Nov. 21, 2008)
^ Coats, Karen (2007) . Bulletin of the Center for Children's Books [0008-9036], volume 60, p.332
^ "Rebel Graham Son Finds His Cause". Albuquerque Journal. May 4, 1998.
^ Maxwell, Bill (May 13, 2001). "A Preacher's Kid is exposed". St. Petersburg Times. Retrieved 2008-11-20.
[edit] 3 Further reading
Amy L Woods (1995). Preacher's kid. Regent University, Virginia Beach, Va. 1995. OCLC 33477968
Everett, Liz (July 20, 2000). "Preacher's kids not any different". Amarillo Globe-News.
Keleigh Crigler Hadley (2009). Preacher's Kids.http://www.amazon.com/Preachers-Kids-Keleigh-Crigler-Hadley/dp/1449504418/ref=cm_lm_byauthor_prod_0_1
[edit] 4 External links
Douglas F. Campbell, The Clergy Family in Canada: Focus on Adult PK's, read at the annual meeting of the Association for the Sociology of Religion, Washington, D.C., August 18-20, 1995.[dead link]
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"PK" is a slang term used among Christians and heard by others. If they do not know what a PK is, it will not be found in the dictionary or in the encyclopedia.
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Does anyone else it would be great if "Pastor's Kid" was a wikipedia category/list? Off the top of my head there's Condaleeza Rice, John Ashcroft, Britney Spears... and way more. -Genesis Winter
[edit] Article only portrays two stereotypes
This article only portrays two stereotypes, the "rebellious teen" and the "holier than thou". It doesn't really discuss the problems and resentments that can build up. The pressure on the kids to have exemplary behavior and not cause trouble for the father, combined with the father who is very busy, but seems to have unlimited time for everybody else but the family. This profession is a difficult one to balance the demands of the job and the family, the fathers often come home emotionally drained by continuous contact with people and their problems, to collapse at home, with the family feeling pressure not to add their own problems to the burdens already on the father. Perhaps a third stereotype that also has some truth would be the kids that feel pressure to always be perfect, friendly and happy, and that have learned to repress their own feelings and sense of abandonment.--Silverback 09:14, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
This third stereotype is probably the most widespread amongst the many PKs I grew up with. PKs that were all happy, friendly, polite, the perfect children as far as the outside world was concerned. Seeing how we grew up, and the many that have had unhappy lives makes you wonder just how many of those perfect children were deeply troubled underneath. Our feelings were not the important ones, PKs were there to serve the parish, trained not to mind when parents had no time for them. This sense of abandonment and of being unlovable as a result of not having attention lavished on one must surely have a big effect on adult relationships. The scars run deep, but one feels they must always be hidden. How many attract partners and then feel beholden to stay with them because of that sense of duty implanted as a child? Surely a fascinating subject for psychological studies.
Scrundle 11:29, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
New to editing on WikiPedia so if I screw up protocol or something, just let me know.
Silverback and Scrundle have it. As a PK myself, I can attest to this third stereotype... I was actually quite disappointed to see the phenomenon so poorly represented in this article. (I would love to edit it, but as I said, I'm a bit nervous about breaching WikiPedia protocol for editing, bibliography and so on.) We weren't an unhappy family as a whole, but there was a growing sense of resentment over things like, for example, never being able to go fishing with my dad because he was too busy with counseling appointments. As a family we were all involved in the ministry, so it wasn't like Dad was the only one engaged in things, but it all left very little time for us to be family and do crazy things like take vacations.
There's more to the story than just 3 stereotypes, though. Scrundle hit on part of it. Having been indoctrinated to be both of service to a community and to keep our issues on the down-low, we often end up in relationships that aren't ideal and have issues getting out of them. Communication issues abound due to the "seen and not heard" aspect of our childhoods. Many of us will work to exhaustion to "fix" these relationships (and even partners), mirroring our parents' role as marriage and family counsellors. Anecdotally, we have a predisposition to codependence due to our need to be loved and willingness to kill ourselves to maintain a relationship.
The problem is that I don't know of any works that express these things, so the bibliography would be a bit short and I know that personal observations and experience aren't considered to meet the standards of WikiPedia.
--ArmchairDeity (talk) 15:48, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
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For the movie starring LeToya Luckett and Durrell Babbs see Preacher's Kid (film).
Preacher's kid (abbreviated as PK) is a term to refer to a child of a preacher, pastor, deacon, vicar, minister or other similar church leader. Although the phrase can be used in a purely descriptive way, it is often used pejoratively or stereotypically. It is mainly used in the United States.
Some clergy live in social networks that impose uncodified and perhaps unconscious expectations about the conduct, not only of the clergy themselves, but also the members of their families.[1] Children of church leaders are often subjected to greater scrutiny by the community than other children. People around them, including their parents, often set higher moral and behavioral standards for these children. Due to the greater visibility of these children, their mistakes are magnified and given extra attention. In addition, these children often sense that they are treated differently from others and can react in various disruptive ways. The term also has connotations of itinerance, with the preacher's kid following their parent on the latter's postings to different congregations.[2] Finally, preachers' kids witness the day to day business of their religious congregations more intimately than the non-clergy members do, and become familiar with church administration and the social dimensions of dealing with the congregation at an early age. A large number of the children of Protestant and Jewish clergy go on to become members of the clergy themselves.[3]
Preacher's kid syndrome is a situation in which the parents of a preacher's kid are attuned to everyone's problems but those of the kid.[4]
Contents
1 Stereotypes
2 Famous examples
3 See also
4 References
5 Further reading
6 External links
1 Stereotypes
All of these factors lead to a preacher's kid stereotype. There are two general stereotypes of preachers' kids.
Stereotype one
Preachers' kids act as if they are "holier-than-thou." They preach their beliefs to anybody they encounter. They do not like to be wrong about what they preach, even in the opinions of others. They may be also prepotent, and in some cases, spoiled brats.
Stereotype two
Preachers' kids start out as good, faithful children, but anywhere from their preteen years to their adult life, they rebel. They do anything they can to avoid the church and its practices. They may deny their parents outright or they may be rebellious behind their parents' backs.[5][6]
2 Famous examples
Tori Amos
Ingmar Bergman
Nat King Cole
Alice Cooper
Gudrun Ensslin
Aretha Franklin
Mark Few
Marvin Gaye
Phil Jackson (both parents)
Carl Jung
Art Linkletter[7]
Charlie Manuel
George McGovern
Friedrich Nietzsche
Katy Perry
Condoleezza Rice
Jessica Simpson
Harriet Beecher Stowe
David Tennant
Nicola Tesla
Vincent Van Gogh
Denzel Washington
The Wright Brothers
Malcolm X
Jonas Brothers
Elijah Muhammad
Gordon Brown
3 See also
List of children of clergy
4 References
^ Thomas W. Klink, "The Ministry as Career and Crisis", in Pastoral Psychology, v. 20 no. 6, pp. 13-19 (Springer: 1969)
^ DeLeon, David (1994). Leaders from the 1960s. Westport: Greenwood Press. ISBN 0313274142.
^ David Peterson, "Preachers' kids; The children of preachers saw life in their church or synagogue from the inside. Many rejected the preacher's life, but others were drawn to follow their father's footsteps." (Minneapolis Star Tribune, byline Oct. 11, 1997, accessed Nov. 21, 2008)
^ Coats, Karen (2007) . Bulletin of the Center for Children's Books [0008-9036], volume 60, p.332
^ "Rebel Graham Son Finds His Cause". Albuquerque Journal. May 4, 1998.
^ Maxwell, Bill (May 13, 2001). "A Preacher's Kid is exposed". St. Petersburg Times. Retrieved 2008-11-20.
^ Mann, Arnold (November 11, 2002). "Preacher's Kid". TIME. Retrieved 2008-11-20.
5 Further reading
Amy L Woods (1995). Preacher's kid. Regent University, Virginia Beach, Va. 1995. OCLC 33477968
Everett, Liz (July 20, 2000). "Preacher's kids not any different". Amarillo Globe-News.
6 External links
Douglas F. Campbell, The Clergy Family in Canada: Focus on Adult PK's, read at the annual meeting of the Association for the Sociology of Religion, Washington, D.C., August 18-20, 1995.[dead link]
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Preacher's kid (abbreviated as PK) is a term to refer to a child of a preacher, pastor, deacon, vicar, minister or other similar church leader. Although the phrase can be used in a purely descriptive way, it is often used pejoratively or stereotypically. It is mainly used in the United States.
Some clergy live in social networks that impose uncodified and perhaps unconscious expectations about the conduct, not only of the clergy themselves, but also the members of their families.[1] Children of church leaders are often subjected to greater scrutiny by the community than other children. People around them, including their parents, often set higher moral and behavioral standards for these children. Due to the greater visibility of these children, their mistakes are magnified and given extra attention. In addition, these children often sense that they are treated differently from others and can react in various disruptive ways. The term also has connotations of itinerance, with the preacher's kid following their parent on the latter's postings to different congregations.[2] Finally, preachers' kids witness the day to day business of their religious congregations more intimately than the non-clergy members do, and become familiar with church administration and the social dimensions of dealing with the congregation at an early age. A large number of the children of Protestant and Jewish clergy go on to become members of the clergy themselves.[3]
Preacher's kid syndrome is a situation in which the parents of a preacher's kid are attuned to everyone's problems but those of the kid.[4]
Stereotypes
All of these factors lead to a preacher's kid stereotype. There are two general stereotypes of preachers' kids.
Stereotype one
Preachers' kids act as if they are "holier-than-thou." They preach their beliefs to anybody they encounter. They do not like to be wrong about what they preach, even in the opinions of others. They may be also prepotent, and in some cases, spoiled brats.
Stereotype two
Preachers' kids start out as good, faithful children, but anywhere from their preteen years to their adult life, they rebel. They do anything they can to avoid the church and its practices. They may deny their parents outright or they may be rebellious behind their parents' backs.[5][6]
Contents
1 Famous examples
2 References
3 Further reading
4 External links
[edit] 1 Famous examples
List of children of clergy
[edit] 2 References
^ Thomas W. Klink, "The Ministry as Career and Crisis", in Pastoral Psychology, v. 20 no. 6 pp. 13-19 (Springer: 1969)
^ DeLeon, David (1994). Leaders from the 1960s. Westport: Greenwood Press. ISBN 0313274142.
^ David Peterson, "Preachers' kids; The children of preachers saw life in their church or synagogue from the inside. Many rejected the preacher's life, but others were drawn to follow their father's footsteps." (Minneapolis Star Tribune, byline Oct. 11, 1997, accessed Nov. 21, 2008)
^ Coats, Karen (2007) . Bulletin of the Center for Children's Books [0008-9036], volume 60, p.332
^ "Rebel Graham Son Finds His Cause". Albuquerque Journal. May 4, 1998.
^ Maxwell, Bill (May 13, 2001). "A Preacher's Kid is exposed". St. Petersburg Times. Retrieved 2008-11-20.
[edit] 3 Further reading
Amy L Woods (1995). Preacher's kid. Regent University, Virginia Beach, Va. 1995. OCLC 33477968
Everett, Liz (July 20, 2000). "Preacher's kids not any different". Amarillo Globe-News.
Keleigh Crigler Hadley (2009). Preacher's Kids.http://www.amazon.com/Preachers-Kids-Keleigh-Crigler-Hadley/dp/1449504418/ref=cm_lm_byauthor_prod_0_1
[edit] 4 External links
Douglas F. Campbell, The Clergy Family in Canada: Focus on Adult PK's, read at the annual meeting of the Association for the Sociology of Religion, Washington, D.C., August 18-20, 1995.[dead link]
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"PK" is a slang term used among Christians and heard by others. If they do not know what a PK is, it will not be found in the dictionary or in the encyclopedia.
There are terms such as "Xian" meaning Christian on this site. "PK" is another one of those slang terms that is used by sone and not everybody knows. Therefore, they may come here looking for a definition.
This is where I found "Xian."
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Does anyone else it would be great if "Pastor's Kid" was a wikipedia category/list? Off the top of my head there's Condaleeza Rice, John Ashcroft, Britney Spears... and way more. -Genesis Winter
[edit] Article only portrays two stereotypes
This article only portrays two stereotypes, the "rebellious teen" and the "holier than thou". It doesn't really discuss the problems and resentments that can build up. The pressure on the kids to have exemplary behavior and not cause trouble for the father, combined with the father who is very busy, but seems to have unlimited time for everybody else but the family. This profession is a difficult one to balance the demands of the job and the family, the fathers often come home emotionally drained by continuous contact with people and their problems, to collapse at home, with the family feeling pressure not to add their own problems to the burdens already on the father. Perhaps a third stereotype that also has some truth would be the kids that feel pressure to always be perfect, friendly and happy, and that have learned to repress their own feelings and sense of abandonment.--Silverback 09:14, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
This third stereotype is probably the most widespread amongst the many PKs I grew up with. PKs that were all happy, friendly, polite, the perfect children as far as the outside world was concerned. Seeing how we grew up, and the many that have had unhappy lives makes you wonder just how many of those perfect children were deeply troubled underneath. Our feelings were not the important ones, PKs were there to serve the parish, trained not to mind when parents had no time for them. This sense of abandonment and of being unlovable as a result of not having attention lavished on one must surely have a big effect on adult relationships. The scars run deep, but one feels they must always be hidden. How many attract partners and then feel beholden to stay with them because of that sense of duty implanted as a child? Surely a fascinating subject for psychological studies.
Scrundle 11:29, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
New to editing on WikiPedia so if I screw up protocol or something, just let me know.
Silverback and Scrundle have it. As a PK myself, I can attest to this third stereotype... I was actually quite disappointed to see the phenomenon so poorly represented in this article. (I would love to edit it, but as I said, I'm a bit nervous about breaching WikiPedia protocol for editing, bibliography and so on.) We weren't an unhappy family as a whole, but there was a growing sense of resentment over things like, for example, never being able to go fishing with my dad because he was too busy with counseling appointments. As a family we were all involved in the ministry, so it wasn't like Dad was the only one engaged in things, but it all left very little time for us to be family and do crazy things like take vacations.
There's more to the story than just 3 stereotypes, though. Scrundle hit on part of it. Having been indoctrinated to be both of service to a community and to keep our issues on the down-low, we often end up in relationships that aren't ideal and have issues getting out of them. Communication issues abound due to the "seen and not heard" aspect of our childhoods. Many of us will work to exhaustion to "fix" these relationships (and even partners), mirroring our parents' role as marriage and family counsellors. Anecdotally, we have a predisposition to codependence due to our need to be loved and willingness to kill ourselves to maintain a relationship.
The problem is that I don't know of any works that express these things, so the bibliography would be a bit short and I know that personal observations and experience aren't considered to meet the standards of WikiPedia.
--ArmchairDeity (talk) 15:48, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
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Preacher's kid
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For the movie starring LeToya Luckett and Durrell Babbs see Preacher's Kid (film).
Preacher's kid (abbreviated as PK) is a term to refer to a child of a preacher, pastor, deacon, vicar, minister or other similar church leader. Although the phrase can be used in a purely descriptive way, it is often used pejoratively or stereotypically. It is mainly used in the United States.
Some clergy live in social networks that impose uncodified and perhaps unconscious expectations about the conduct, not only of the clergy themselves, but also the members of their families.[1] Children of church leaders are often subjected to greater scrutiny by the community than other children. People around them, including their parents, often set higher moral and behavioral standards for these children. Due to the greater visibility of these children, their mistakes are magnified and given extra attention. In addition, these children often sense that they are treated differently from others and can react in various disruptive ways. The term also has connotations of itinerance, with the preacher's kid following their parent on the latter's postings to different congregations.[2] Finally, preachers' kids witness the day to day business of their religious congregations more intimately than the non-clergy members do, and become familiar with church administration and the social dimensions of dealing with the congregation at an early age. A large number of the children of Protestant and Jewish clergy go on to become members of the clergy themselves.[3]
Preacher's kid syndrome is a situation in which the parents of a preacher's kid are attuned to everyone's problems but those of the kid.[4]
Contents
1 Stereotypes
2 Famous examples
3 See also
4 References
5 Further reading
6 External links
1 Stereotypes
All of these factors lead to a preacher's kid stereotype. There are two general stereotypes of preachers' kids.
Stereotype one
Preachers' kids act as if they are "holier-than-thou." They preach their beliefs to anybody they encounter. They do not like to be wrong about what they preach, even in the opinions of others. They may be also prepotent, and in some cases, spoiled brats.
Stereotype two
Preachers' kids start out as good, faithful children, but anywhere from their preteen years to their adult life, they rebel. They do anything they can to avoid the church and its practices. They may deny their parents outright or they may be rebellious behind their parents' backs.[5][6]
2 Famous examples
Tori Amos
Ingmar Bergman
Nat King Cole
Alice Cooper
Gudrun Ensslin
Aretha Franklin
Mark Few
Marvin Gaye
Phil Jackson (both parents)
Carl Jung
Art Linkletter[7]
Charlie Manuel
George McGovern
Friedrich Nietzsche
Katy Perry
Condoleezza Rice
Jessica Simpson
Harriet Beecher Stowe
David Tennant
Nicola Tesla
Vincent Van Gogh
Denzel Washington
The Wright Brothers
Malcolm X
Jonas Brothers
Elijah Muhammad
Gordon Brown
3 See also
List of children of clergy
4 References
^ Thomas W. Klink, "The Ministry as Career and Crisis", in Pastoral Psychology, v. 20 no. 6, pp. 13-19 (Springer: 1969)
^ DeLeon, David (1994). Leaders from the 1960s. Westport: Greenwood Press. ISBN 0313274142.
^ David Peterson, "Preachers' kids; The children of preachers saw life in their church or synagogue from the inside. Many rejected the preacher's life, but others were drawn to follow their father's footsteps." (Minneapolis Star Tribune, byline Oct. 11, 1997, accessed Nov. 21, 2008)
^ Coats, Karen (2007) . Bulletin of the Center for Children's Books [0008-9036], volume 60, p.332
^ "Rebel Graham Son Finds His Cause". Albuquerque Journal. May 4, 1998.
^ Maxwell, Bill (May 13, 2001). "A Preacher's Kid is exposed". St. Petersburg Times. Retrieved 2008-11-20.
^ Mann, Arnold (November 11, 2002). "Preacher's Kid". TIME. Retrieved 2008-11-20.
5 Further reading
Amy L Woods (1995). Preacher's kid. Regent University, Virginia Beach, Va. 1995. OCLC 33477968
Everett, Liz (July 20, 2000). "Preacher's kids not any different". Amarillo Globe-News.
6 External links
Douglas F. Campbell, The Clergy Family in Canada: Focus on Adult PK's, read at the annual meeting of the Association for the Sociology of Religion, Washington, D.C., August 18-20, 1995.[dead link]
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"Don't even think about it!" is an emphatic prohibition[1] popularized by a 1993 Pepsi commercial featuring Shaquille O'Neal, a famous basketball player.
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2 Popularization
3 Cultural references
4 References
5 See also
6 Further reading
[edit] 1 History
A "Don't even THINK of parking here" sign in New York City
The catchphrase as used by the Pepsi ad was based upon a similar phrase, "Don't even THINK of parking here", which came into use on no parking signs in major cities such as New York City and Chicago.[2][3] The signs first appeared in New York in 1982 during Ed Koch's mayoral administration.[4][5]
[edit] 2 Popularization
The 1993 commercial featuring O'Neal begins with him playing hoops at a street basketball court. A little kid notices him, and exclaims O'Neal's nickname, "Shaq". O'Neal, noticing that the kid has a Pepsi in his hand, walks over and says "Hey, can I have it?" He bends over, supposing that his admirer will give him the soda, but the kid refuses, saying: "Don't even think about it!" Suddenly, a sound simulating that of a scratched record is heard, and the commercial ends with the Pepsi logo and slogan.
The commercial is actually a parody of another famous one from the 1970s produced by Pepsi's rival, Coca-Cola, in which a young boy meets football player "Mean" Joe Greene as he is leaving the field after a game. The boy gives his hero a bottle of Coke and, in exchange for the drink, the football player throws his towel to the boy, who excitedly catches the souvenir.
[edit] 3 Cultural references
The phrase also appears in series 4, episode 5 of Men Behaving Badly, when a drunken Gary climbs into bed intent on having sex with the sleeping Dorothy; it is revealed that she is wearing a T-shirt with "Don't even think about it!" written on it in large letters. The phrase was also used as the title of a 2004 book by Lauren Henderson.[6]
[edit] 4 References
^ Bruce K. Waltke. "The Book of Proverbs: Chapters 15-31". p. 265.
^ E.J. Dionne (August 16, 1998). No Go. The Washington Post.
^ "13 Ways to Get Message on Parking". Chicago Tribune. Associated Press: p. 4. March 5, 1987. Retrieved January 1, 2011.
^ Ari L. Goldman (June 15, 1982). "Bus-Only Lanes to be Increased to Speed Travel". The New York Times: section A, p. 1.
^ Clyde Haberman and Laurie Johnston (September 4, 1982). "New York Day by Day". The New York Times: section 1, p. 24.
^ Lauren Henderson (2004). Don't Even Think About It. Downtown Press. ISBN 0743464699.
[edit] 5 See also
Parking violation
[edit] 6 Further reading
Paul Trapido, Barbara Ensor (1986). Don't Even Think of Parking Here: The New York City Guide to Parking and Driving. Simon & Schuster. ISBN 0671628369.
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a spoiler alert for a tv commercial? what next? Kingturtle 22:51 May 13, 2003 (UTC)
Doesn't this fall under #5 of What Wikipedia is not? A slang and idiom guide? DanKeshet 04:07, Aug 23, 2003 (UTC)
No because the article is actually about the commercial, but I wrote the explanation of the phrase as a prefix so that non-Americans can understand why it was used in the commercial.
Antonio Bang Bang Baby Bang Bang! Martin
The article is no longer about the commercial. I don't think that anything referenced within, either a five-year old commercial or a reference within a television show, is particluarly notable. SixFourThree (talk) 14:26, 9 May 2008 (UTC)SixFourThree
What about Where's the beef?? I think Don't even think about it! is up to the same snuff. Kingturtle (talk) 19:33, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Comparing the two articles, I don't agree. Maybe if somebody cuts a single about "Don't Even Think About It." SixFourThree (talk) 17:46, 16 May 2008 (UTC)SixFourThree
Problem is: the New York sign says: don't even think of... not about. Important for learners (but the sign is funny though).Klebbsen (talk) 19:43, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
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I did some cleanup of the article today (my first good deed for the new year). I think the article might be more valuable for the traffic sign - I was looking at another Wikipedia article about road signs in the U.S. and the NYC parking restriction sign piqued my interest. Through some googling, I was led back to Wikipedia and this article.
My cleanup involved fixing the picture, giving the article a more formal tone, and adding some links which may be of more interest to someone seeking info on the sign. I also linked back to this article from the road signs article and another article, Parking violation. I'm unsure what to do at this point. Perhaps an article on the sign itself is warranted? It certainly is a strange and interesting one! Kfranco (talk) 22:35, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
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"Don't even think about it!" is an emphatic prohibition[1] popularized by a 1993 Pepsi commercial featuring Shaquille O'Neal, a famous basketball player.
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2 Popularization
3 Cultural references
4 References
5 See also
6 Further reading
[edit] 1 History
A "Don't even THINK of parking here" sign in New York City
The catchphrase as used by the Pepsi ad was based upon a similar phrase, "Don't even THINK of parking here", which came into use on no parking signs in major cities such as New York City and Chicago.[2][3] The signs first appeared in New York in 1982 during Ed Koch's mayoral administration.[4][5]
[edit] 2 Popularization
The 1993 commercial featuring O'Neal begins with him playing hoops at a street basketball court. A little kid notices him, and exclaims O'Neal's nickname, "Shaq". O'Neal, noticing that the kid has a Pepsi in his hand, walks over and says "Hey, can I have it?" He bends over, supposing that his admirer will give him the soda, but the kid refuses, saying: "Don't even think about it!" Suddenly, a sound simulating that of a scratched record is heard, and the commercial ends with the Pepsi logo and slogan.
The commercial is actually a parody of another famous one from the 1970s produced by Pepsi's rival, Coca-Cola, in which a young boy meets football player "Mean" Joe Greene as he is leaving the field after a game. The boy gives his hero a bottle of Coke and, in exchange for the drink, the football player throws his towel to the boy, who excitedly catches the souvenir.
[edit] 3 Cultural references
The phrase also appears in series 4, episode 5 of Men Behaving Badly, when a drunken Gary climbs into bed intent on having sex with the sleeping Dorothy; it is revealed that she is wearing a T-shirt with "Don't even think about it!" written on it in large letters. The phrase was also used as the title of a 2004 book by Lauren Henderson.[6]
[edit] 4 References
^ Bruce K. Waltke. "The Book of Proverbs: Chapters 15-31". p. 265.
^ E.J. Dionne (August 16, 1998). No Go. The Washington Post.
^ "13 Ways to Get Message on Parking". Chicago Tribune. Associated Press: p. 4. March 5, 1987. Retrieved January 1, 2011.
^ Ari L. Goldman (June 15, 1982). "Bus-Only Lanes to be Increased to Speed Travel". The New York Times: section A, p. 1.
^ Clyde Haberman and Laurie Johnston (September 4, 1982). "New York Day by Day". The New York Times: section 1, p. 24.
^ Lauren Henderson (2004). Don't Even Think About It. Downtown Press. ISBN 0743464699.
[edit] 5 See also
Parking violation
[edit] 6 Further reading
Paul Trapido, Barbara Ensor (1986). Don't Even Think of Parking Here: The New York City Guide to Parking and Driving. Simon & Schuster. ISBN 0671628369.
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Talk:Don't even think about it!
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Articles for deletion This page was nominated for deletion on 3 June 2009 (UTC). The result of the discussion was no consensus.
a spoiler alert for a tv commercial? what next? Kingturtle 22:51 May 13, 2003 (UTC)
Doesn't this fall under #5 of What Wikipedia is not? A slang and idiom guide? DanKeshet 04:07, Aug 23, 2003 (UTC)
No because the article is actually about the commercial, but I wrote the explanation of the phrase as a prefix so that non-Americans can understand why it was used in the commercial.
Antonio Bang Bang Baby Bang Bang! Martin
The article is no longer about the commercial. I don't think that anything referenced within, either a five-year old commercial or a reference within a television show, is particluarly notable. SixFourThree (talk) 14:26, 9 May 2008 (UTC)SixFourThree
What about Where's the beef?? I think Don't even think about it! is up to the same snuff. Kingturtle (talk) 19:33, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Comparing the two articles, I don't agree. Maybe if somebody cuts a single about "Don't Even Think About It." SixFourThree (talk) 17:46, 16 May 2008 (UTC)SixFourThree
Problem is: the New York sign says: don't even think of... not about. Important for learners (but the sign is funny though).Klebbsen (talk) 19:43, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
[edit] Direction for Article?
I did some cleanup of the article today (my first good deed for the new year). I think the article might be more valuable for the traffic sign - I was looking at another Wikipedia article about road signs in the U.S. and the NYC parking restriction sign piqued my interest. Through some googling, I was led back to Wikipedia and this article.
My cleanup involved fixing the picture, giving the article a more formal tone, and adding some links which may be of more interest to someone seeking info on the sign. I also linked back to this article from the road signs article and another article, Parking violation. I'm unsure what to do at this point. Perhaps an article on the sign itself is warranted? It certainly is a strange and interesting one! Kfranco (talk) 22:35, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
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"It's Not Your Money!!" Says Steven Furtick, as He Proudly Screams "Yes! The Church Wants Your Money!!"
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"Yes, the church wants your money!! Guess what? It's not your money! God gave you that money, Big Boy!....my name is Steven Furtick, and I approve this message!" Steven Furtick - SEE VIDEO BELOW-----------------------------------What is so fascinating about mega church pastors is the new lows to which they plunge in their attempts to expand their church, and to extend their reach into the pockets of their followers.
In the video below, Steven Furtick of Elevation Church in Charlotte, NC, proudly proclaims that "Yes, the church wants your money", and then tells his church members as they hoot and holler: "It's not your money!"
What Steven means is that he and his church have a greater right to your checking account than you do. None of your money is yours, says Steven. All of your money is God's, and you need to give God back at least 10% if not more, since he gave it to you. And here's the catch: to give God back what he gave you - which doesn't make sense since God owns it all anyways - according to Steven you have only one choice: give it to Elevation Church - because Steven is building the church that Jesus promised he would be responsible for.
"And once upon a time, there was a little girl named Goldilocks who went for a walk in the woods..."
Furtick's claim to his follower's money is so illogical, and so wrong-headed, that to hear the hoots and hollers from the crowd as Steven spews this nonsense, tells me this church is on its way to being a cult, and Steven Furtick a cult leader. Perhaps it is there already.
I don't point out the exploits of Furtick and his other mega church pastor friends just to get a laugh and chuckle. This is serious business, these guys are forever damaging Christianity in America.
When I heard Furtick spew this nonsense, it reminded me of the story a friend told me about why he had to stop attending his church. His pastor was so aggressive in raising money that he told the men in the congregation that if they were not tithing, they were not "real men". The pastor said they were having other men "pay their way", and that no real man would have another man pay their way. And for good measure, the pastor said if you're a man not tithing you probably are not a Christian. This man was giving some money to the church, but he was struggling financially, had two kids in college, and was being very generous to his family in providing for their material and educational needs. He went to church to get encouragement in his faith, but instead was told on multiple occasions from the pulpit that he was no damn good, was not a man, that the pastor was the "real" man, and that in fact he probably wasn't a Christian because he didn't give 10%.
So this man felt he couldn't return to the church and continue to expose his family to a preacher who denigrated their own father's faith and manhood from the pulpit.
This is what is happening in evangelical churches - pastors who have such a love of money and power, they are turning away clear-minded, rational-thinking believers. And young people who are very adept at seeing through these shallow preachers, will be turned away from Christianity altogether.
And what this will leave is churches predominantly filled with Kool Aid drinkers who don't dare question the pastor, and who will fork over 10% of their money based on fairy tales and myths and believe they are buying favor with God.
Avoid these churches like the plague, Christian.
Yes, the Church Wants Your Money, 'Cause it Ain't Yours Big Boy!! from FBCJax Watchdog on Vimeo.
"Yes, the church wants your money!! Guess what? It's not your money! God gave you that money, Big Boy!....my name is Steven Furtick, and I approve this message!" Steven Furtick - SEE VIDEO BELOW-----------------------------------What is so fascinating about mega church pastors is the new lows to which they plunge in their attempts to expand their church, and to extend their reach into the pockets of their followers.In the video below, Steven Furtick of Elevation Church in Charlotte, NC, proudly proclaims that "Yes, the church wants your money", and then tells his church members as they hoot and holler: "It's not your money!"
What Steven means is that he and his church have a greater right to your checking account than you do. None of your money is yours, says Steven. All of your money is God's, and you need to give God back at least 10% if not more, since he gave it to you. And here's the catch: to give God back what he gave you - which doesn't make sense since God owns it all anyways - according to Steven you have only one choice: give it to Elevation Church - because Steven is building the church that Jesus promised he would be responsible for.
"And once upon a time, there was a little girl named Goldilocks who went for a walk in the woods..."
Furtick's claim to his follower's money is so illogical, and so wrong-headed, that to hear the hoots and hollers from the crowd as Steven spews this nonsense, tells me this church is on its way to being a cult, and Steven Furtick a cult leader. Perhaps it is there already.
I don't point out the exploits of Furtick and his other mega church pastor friends just to get a laugh and chuckle. This is serious business, these guys are forever damaging Christianity in America. When I heard Furtick spew this nonsense, it reminded me of the story a friend told me about why he had to stop attending his church. His pastor was so aggressive in raising money that he told the men in the congregation that if they were not tithing, they were not "real men". The pastor said they were having other men "pay their way", and that no real man would have another man pay their way. And for good measure, the pastor said if you're a man not tithing you probably are not a Christian. This man was giving some money to the church, but he was struggling financially, had two kids in college, and was being very generous to his family in providing for their material and educational needs. He went to church to get encouragement in his faith, but instead was told on multiple occasions from the pulpit that he was no damn good, was not a man, that the pastor was the "real" man, and that in fact he probably wasn't a Christian because he didn't give 10%.
So this man felt he couldn't return to the church and continue to expose his family to a preacher who denigrated their own father's faith and manhood from the pulpit.
This is what is happening in evangelical churches - pastors who have such a love of money and power, they are turning away clear-minded, rational-thinking believers. And young people who are very adept at seeing through these shallow preachers, will be turned away from Christianity altogether.
And what this will leave is churches predominantly filled with Kool Aid drinkers who don't dare question the pastor, and who will fork over 10% of their money based on fairy tales and myths and believe they are buying favor with God.
Avoid these churches like the plague, Christian.
Yes, the Church Wants Your Money, 'Cause it Ain't Yours Big Boy!! from FBCJax Watchdog on Vimeo.
Happy 2013 from the Watchdog!!
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Hello Readers! I want to wish you all a very Happy New Year! I hope that 2013 is a year of health and prosperity for all of you!
The FBC Jax Watchdog blog continues in 2013, its 7th year, because I still care. Yes, I do still care about harm done by authoritarian pastors and teaching of self-serving, nonsensical doctrines. Because I care, I will continue to blog.
I will start off 2013 tomorrow, January 2nd, by beginning to discuss a lawsuit settled in 2012 involving Perry Noble and NewSpring church over Noble's sycophants who went after a blogger and his family to intimidate the blogger for his criticism of Noble and NewSpring. This saga gives a glimpse into what the modern-day mega church pastors and their employees are really all about.
Again, Happy New Year to all, and look for a post tomorrow!
Hello Readers! I want to wish you all a very Happy New Year! I hope that 2013 is a year of health and prosperity for all of you!The FBC Jax Watchdog blog continues in 2013, its 7th year, because I still care. Yes, I do still care about harm done by authoritarian pastors and teaching of self-serving, nonsensical doctrines. Because I care, I will continue to blog.
I will start off 2013 tomorrow, January 2nd, by beginning to discuss a lawsuit settled in 2012 involving Perry Noble and NewSpring church over Noble's sycophants who went after a blogger and his family to intimidate the blogger for his criticism of Noble and NewSpring. This saga gives a glimpse into what the modern-day mega church pastors and their employees are really all about.
Again, Happy New Year to all, and look for a post tomorrow!
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